AVENT in Malaysia: An answer, please!

by Admin on July 2, 2008

in Baby bottles, Breastfeeding


This morning, I was going to catch up on Malaysian drama, especially as the hot hits are now playing: sex, courtroom drama, international politics…

Instead, I decided to check up on BPA as my friend (thanks so much, BH!) asked me if I’m using Avent since she’s just got some BPA-free bottles. I was like, “What’s BPA?” And until I found out an answer, I can’t sit or think straight.

I’m glad I devoted my time to research this morning because here’s what I found out:

BPA is Bisphenol-A, a chemical to make clear plastic including baby bottles. It’s now known to be hazardous to human health. After my encounter with dioxins, I was stunned to hear that the pump and bottles containing the breastmilk that’s 100% good for the boy is actually bad for him!

The trusted brand of AVENT breastfeeding pump and bottles I’ve been using for the past 2.4 years is rated “POOR” among the brands evaluated for BPA (see Z-report below).

For the record, the cost of AVENT bottles and and teats are as follows:

  1. AVENT Airflex Bottle – 4 bottles (260 ml) – RM163 (from Mothercare)  - M40.75 each!
  2. AVENT AirFlex Teats – Fast Flow (2 pcs) – RM35 (from Mothercare)

Plus, I’d recommended the AVENT Manual Isis pump and bottles to many of my friends!

Although I’ve tried Medela before, I found the AVENT pump a better performing one, despite the fact that:

a) it can ONLY fit AVENT bottles (not generic-sized bottles)
b) the bottles, teats etc cost a bomb as they are made in the UK

I was *really surprised* at finding out AVENT’s poor ratings but this changed to annoyance when I did a search myself on the Avent website and found NOTHING on BPA or Bisphenol-A. I would have thought they’d at least come out with a media statement like they did in Canada.

When I was back in Malaysia early this year, I was hunting high and low for new teats and bottles and found that AVENT was low on stock. Even their retailers couldn’t explain why!

Incidentally, Avent is now known as Phillps-Avent? One of the retailers showed me that the new bottles no longer had the words “Made in England”. I’m not sure if this is good or bad but I need to find out more about this corporate merger.

What I found is that Philips-Avent has positioned its product line as “Green Products”, which focus on their impact on climate change.

Our Green Products offer customers, users and society a significant environmental improvement in one or more of the Philips Green Focal Areas:

  • Energy efficient
  • Packaging
  • Hazardous substances
  • Weight
  • Recycling and disposal
  • Lifetime reliability

In the US, AVENT is among the plaintiffs named in a class action lawsuit. The paralegal is also inviting other purchases of these brands to come forward.

In US, AVENT bottles can be returned at ToysRUs or BabiesRUs.

In Canada, FREE BPA-free bottles are given to those who dialled the AVENT toll-free line.

HOW ABOUT US IN MALAYSIA???

1. My AVENT bottles DO NOT have a recycling logo OR plastic recycling number, which mean they contain BPA.

2. I have just bought 3 new 9 oz bottles and 6 new teats – with BPA

3. I am hanging on to my AVENT Isis Manual pump to be used for the next baby, which includes 2 5 oz bottles, which I’m guessing, were made with BPA

I can bet that, with the AVENT Isis’ excellent reputation among breastfeeding mothers, many out there have the same thought as I have:

QUESTION: Can we return all these to AVENT in exchange for BPA-free pumps and bottles (if available)?

I have written to the AVENT Corporate Communications’ team and look forward to receiving a response from them soon.

REFERENCES:

Study warns of baby bottle safety (27 February 2007)
The independent laboratory study was conducted in cooperation with the Environment California Research and Policy Center to test whether bisphenol A, a chemical used to make clear plastic for consumer products, including baby bottles, was released into the liquids the bottles contained, Environment California spokeswoman Rachel Gibson said.

The group tested five popular baby bottle brands — Avent, Dr. Brown’s, Evenflo, Gerber and Playtex — all five of which leached bisphenol A at levels “found to cause harm in numerous laboratory animal studies,” Gibson said.

According to Gibson, the plastic material in containers breaks down through use and releases bisphenol A into liquids and food..

Bisphenol A has been linked by scientists to cancers, impaired immune function, early onset of puberty, obesity, diabetes and hyperactivity, Gibson said.

Gibson said though San Francisco currently prohibits the use of bisphenol A in toys and child care products for children under 3 years old, her group is calling on California and the federal government to eliminate this and other harmful chemicals from products used by children.

Environment California is also calling for required product manufacturer labeling and reforms in chemical manufacturers’ policies.

The group recommends consumers choose glass or “safer-plastic” baby bottles. In addition, the group advises against heating up food or drinks in plastic containers, and using harsh dishwashing soap and hot water, as these practices can speed up the rate of leaching, according to Gibson.

RECYCLING CODES ON PLASTICS (text from WeeklyWay):

#1 & #2 – Most water, soda, juice, milk, and shampoo and soap bottles are made with PET or HDPE plastics. They are widely recyclable and safe as long as they are not reused.

#3 – Vinyl or PVC – Potentially hazardous – they can leach plasticizers and lead. They are also not recyclable.

#4 & #5 – Safe and recyclable – many food storage containers and plastic wraps are made from these two types of plastic.

#6 – Polystyrene – more commonly known by the brand name, Styrofoam. While polystyrene is technically recyclable, it is difficult to recycle and due to its light weight many curbside recycling programs do not accept it. Polystyrene is also potentially hazardous, as it can leach styrene, a known carcinogen.

#7 – PC/PA #7 is the catch-all for the types of plastic that do not fall into the previous 6 categories. Products in this category range from polycarbonate (PC), which is non-biodegradable and potentially hazardous, to the safe and compostable polylactide(PA), which is made from plant materials like corn, and used to produce products like plates, bags, and bottles.

Z Report (3rd edition) on BPA in children’s feeding products

Click on any company name in the listings below to find the BPA status of all children’s feeding products they currently manufacture, as well as recently discontinued items.

Here are some brands you may be familiar with, and their ratings:

Excellent
- provide attractive, functional products in at least two product categories or exceptional design in one category, with all mouth-contact products being exclusively BPA-free
- Combi, Medela, Thermos, thinkbaby

Good
- provide predominantly BPA-free mouth-contact products and offer at least one recently-designed BPA-free item in each product area they serve.
- IKEA, Tupperware

Fair
- may provide excellent products in some categories but produce products in other categories while offering no quality non-polycarbonate option.
- Dr. Brown’s, Evenflo, MAM, Munchkin, Nuby, Playtex, Rubbermaid, The First Years, Tommee Tippee

Poor
- demonstrate an unwillingness to acknowledge the legitimacy of consumers’ concerns about Bisphenol-A and/or offer few or no BPA-free products
- AVENT, Ameda

Biphenol-A (BPA) free.org – videos, news and updates on the fight for BPA-free products

Bisphenol-A is a hormone-disrupting chemical considered to be potentially harmful to human health and the environment. It has been known that scratched and worn polycarbonate feeding bottles will leach this chemical into liquids.

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{ 46 comments… read them below or add one }

huisia July 2, 2008 at 6:19 PM

i got mine from HK, they said it’s safe.

zewt July 2, 2008 at 9:38 PM

shite… i think my friends are using this for their newborn child!

KittyCat July 3, 2008 at 8:01 AM

Hui Sia – Really? Does it have BPA-free indicated on the packaging?

Zewt – It IS a very established brand. Just hope that they got the BPA-free ones (do check).

Vien July 3, 2008 at 9:36 AM

I did my research before Belle came along and that was why I opted Medela over Avent. At that time, only Medela indicated their bottles are BPA-free…whereas, the rest didn’t mention anything about it.

I believe the recall is only in UK. I’ve checked; there’s no recall of Avent products in US. I’m also shock that Avent has changed its name and doesn’t label it as “Made in England.”

Shooi July 3, 2008 at 10:01 AM

I used Medela + Dr Brown bottles for Bryan but he diden like bottles well. So for Dylan, i got myself an Avent pump, which i prefer over Medela + Avent bottles of coz. My new bottles are Philip Avent and it still does have the Made in England sign. But no indication of BPA free wor… now i am worried!

Shooi July 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM

Pls keep us updated if you hear fr Avent corporate comms

Lilis Lie July 3, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Good article !! it’ll prepare me to choose better bottles and pump, since I’ll start shopping for baby’s equipments this August. Thanks alot =>

KittyCat July 3, 2008 at 10:39 AM

Vien – I used Medela before but the pump didn’t work as well as Avent. I don’t think there are any recalls in US.

The irony is that for an organization that’s dedicated to support breastfeeding and the best for baby, it hasn’t showed any interest or action. Wonder if the US class action suit will get it to act…

Shooi – Unless AVENT products is BPA-free, I’m looking for AVENT alternatives now because he is SO used to its teat. Or, I’ve got to wean him off the bottle soon. He doesn’t like either the MAM or Nuby sippy cups I got. I’m so frustrated with AVENT for this. Will update!

Lilis – Yes, make wise choices ya especially as your baby will be using it from a few months until they are about 4 or older! It’s hard for me to get him to switch to another brand now. I’m quite sad over this issue because the AVENT pump is really good.

mott July 3, 2008 at 6:17 PM

ok..this is third attempt in writing comments…….pls go thru!!!!!

i used both medela n avent. i guess….errr…..since my elder two kids r still alright…and functioning well………… *touch wood*, eye-no-see???!!!

hahahahaahah…ah well. But Medela is much better than Avent, I feel.

Angeleyes July 3, 2008 at 8:53 PM

Eiks!!!!! I’ve just started Darrius on Avent as he wants to have the same bottle as his cousin (my brother’s kid)!!!!

I got mine from US (from Vien) and I still see the ‘Made in England’ tag on the bottle. I left the box in my mom’s place so I can’t read what is printed on the box.

Currently I am using both Tupperwear and Avent bottles but I’m using Pigeon teats for the Tupperwear as I have not/lazy to go get the original Tupperwear teats for replacement.

Kindly keep us updated on this…

At the meantime I shall stop Darrius from using the Avent bottle. :(

KittyCat July 4, 2008 at 7:38 AM

Mott – Sorry for the comment form error messages. It’s THE template! I get them too commenting on my own blog :P A bit frustrated here as it looks like I’ve got to change templates AGAIN. Yikes, folks are REALLY gonna think I’m schizophrenic…

I really hope that as a socially-responsible organization, Philips-AVENT will respond with regards to this. If not, I am going to do my best to switch…

Angeleyes – Oh, no…poor Darrius. That’s the thing – AVENT is SO popular in Malaysia because of our historical ties with the UK! Plus, the pump enjoys excellent reviews among Mums etc, myself included.

By the way, the “Made in England” note is not an indicator. What’s at stake here is the lack of disclosure on whether BPA is used in the production of the plastic parts. The brands rated “Excellent” and “Good” are doing well in informing consumers this.

gina July 8, 2008 at 9:38 AM

i am using AVENT bottles too but it does not indicate in the bottle if it is no. 7, it is safe to use it or not?
I am so much disappointed with the AVENT Company, there bottles are so expensive and i cannot afford to buy another bottles for my baby..

taty July 8, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Thanks for you information kittycat, I read somewhere before that they are not sure about BPA contains in AVENT bottle, and then they said EVENT is BPA free but today, after reading this topic and i read more on the internet, I am sure and definitely to stop using AVENT bottle for my son.. but I gave my AVENT pump to my friend already.. Oh no.. I should inform her as well…

btw, this is my first visit here, and your blog is “cool” and full of infos.. I’ll stop by again soon! :)

KittyCat July 10, 2008 at 12:40 AM

Gina – As far as I know, no recycling or plastic codes are etched on AVENT bottles. I know how you feel about changing to another set of new bottles. That’s exactly how I feel!

Taty – Have you read the post on AVENT’s media statement? It’s very clear now that the current range of AVENT bottles are not BPA-free. The BPA-free range will only be launched end of 2008.

Thanks for visiting. You know I’ll go back to your blog again too!

Aaron October 4, 2008 at 11:02 PM

KittyCat, thanks for the great post. My wife and I also started up a BPA awareness website. We were actually vacationing in Malaysia earlier this year, looking for BPA-free bottles at some of the popular joints — BabyJaya (a great place), Mothercare, etc. We were surprised that some of our friends there hadn’t heard of BPA or the trend toward BPA free products. It’s good to see that more people are getting the word out. Also sorry to hear about your experience with Avent – once we read about the BPA problems, we switched to Medela bottles & pump equipment, and we’ve been very happy with those.

Some interesting news came out recently on the effects of BPA on adults. Some recent studies have shown a link to heart disease, liver problems, and diabetes. Scary stuff! You can read more at our blog.

mhyap October 9, 2008 at 10:07 AM

Avent already launched BPA-free milk bottle in US and by end year will be in UK. Wondering when they’ll make the BPA-free bottle available in Malaysia…

Mama mia January 6, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Hi…may I know where can I get the BPA-free product in Penang?

KittyCat January 9, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Mhyap – The last I heard, BPA-free bottles will be available in Malaysia by the first quarter of2009.

Mama mia – I’m sorry I have no idea but I know that they are not available in Gurney Plaza, Queensbay (Jusco) or Sunshine Square. I’ve seen them sold in KL online stores though.

Snowfly January 9, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Shit…my friends highly recommand AVENT brand to me as it’s branded,popular and long time in the market, it should be safe to use. How come it contains BPA?? AVENT should let us exchange the old bottles to new BPA free bottles, they have to resposible for it as this is concern about life!

KittyCat January 12, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Snowfly – Don’t fret :) AVENT is still a top brand to me because it’s one of the best breastfeeding solutions. I’m equally disappointed they are NOT accepting our BPA bottles in exchange for BPA-free ones like in US and Canada.

I bought 2 packs of their 4 bottles, which means I have too many in stock to wanna get BPA-free ones. Do check out the latest post on AVENT’s email on coping with current BPA bottles.

Snowfly January 13, 2009 at 2:16 PM

I’m not satisfy with their response on this issue, since nowadays everybody talking about health, AVENT should be more alert when using the material and should responsible for their products. They should allow us to ex-change the BPA free bottles. I wonder how come they have different policy among Europe and Asia countries.

KittyCat January 15, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Snowfly – Yup, same here esp about the exchange of BPA for BPA-free bottles. Why can they allow it in US and UK but not Asia, right?

AVENT bottles with BPA are sold in China, too. I wonder how AVENT will react if a big group of their 1.3 bil market reject their bottles too, eh? Asia needs a stronger, unified voice!

Cindy February 2, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Mama Mia, I saw Puku brand in Butterworth. Babyland, along Raja Uda.

Siew HUi February 9, 2009 at 6:06 PM

hah…. Realy safe or not, my baby are using Avent Shooter & milk bottle.
I still have keep a new stock 1 – 330ML & 1 – 260 ML milk bottle,Shooter…..
Totol i have 6 of Avent milk bottle….
Oh no….
How le….
can i know 1 Avent milk bottle how long be can use….
6 months only?
that baby shop guy tell me just can use 6 months.
how can so exp milk bottle just can use 6 month?
PLS SENT ME A email.
chaisiewhui@yahoo.com
THANK YOU >>>>

KittyCat February 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Siew Hui – I’ve emailed you and hope it helps! You do need to follow the manufacturer’s instructions for safety’s sake.

Snowfly February 12, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Kitty Cat, what has u email to Siew Hui can u email to me too?

allynlee03@yahoo.com

Thank u…….

KittyCat February 23, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Snowfly – I’ve emailed it to you already :-)

moses March 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM

wow my goodness!! such an irresponsible company,
any sugested action taken in malaysia. What was the latest solution. SHould we return all bottles to Avent Malaysia.

Any Answered from Avent, PLEASE ADVISED. Just bought the ISIS pump with 4 Avent bottles.

KittyCat March 31, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Moses – Sorry to inform you, the returnable AVENT bottles is not applicable in Asia!

My advice is to start your baby on BPA-free bottles (AVENT or others) and use the 4 bottles to store breast milk only. I’ve tried to switch my toddler to other brands now but it’s too late…

YAG April 6, 2009 at 10:54 AM

So far I only know this shop name The First Few Years in The Curve 03-77251160 sells Avent BPA Free bottles. They only have the 4 oz small bottles.

thyesiewlan April 15, 2009 at 6:45 PM

i have twin babies whose around 5 months plus. i bought 2 9oz bottle from jusco last year. and when i bought the breast pumb free another 2 4 oz so totally i have four. but i found that my babies have to suck very hard to get the milk out. he is impatient and many time cannot finish the milk bcoz to tired to suck the milk. i try to cut the hole bigger but very fast it broken the hole geting bigger and cannot use anymore. i m so frustrated and thinking of changing the nipples for him and try to use doctor baby nipple . can any of you advise me

KittyCat April 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM

thyesiewlan – Are you using AVENT bottles? If yes, you may need to get nipples with more holes esp as your babies are reaching 6 months old.

Most AVENT bottles come free with newborn nipples. When my son reached 1 year old, we switched to the variable vent nipples where he learns to adjust the flow by twisting the bottle until he finds the flow he likes best.

I tried slitting the nipples too but just like you had to throw them away because the hole became too big! Not sure if Doctor Baby can fit AVENT’s wide neck bottle. I hear some Mums have tried it with MAM nipples successfully? Maybe you can try that too…

Chiew Yen November 9, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Hi, anyone knows where is avent shop in KL, Sri Hartamas? The white valve in my breastpump was broken last night and need it urgently. Pls advise where to get it (the white valve)…

Email: chiew_yen[at]yahoo[dot]com

Nor Elina Alias November 11, 2009 at 9:51 PM

kittycat:

really? not returnable in asia? how so…
any way we can make it happen?
im so so upset rite now.i jst knew abt the BPA issue today..ive been using it since end of 2007 wth my 1st child n now carrying to my 2nd child.
i have a breast pump, sterilizer, 12 4oz bott and 3 8 oz bott.

KittyCat: Nor Elina – you just found out about this??? Poor thing. That’s how it islah for countries other than UK, US and Canada. We’re just small flies, eh?

I’m down to my last supply of ‘old’ AVENT bottles and will use the BPA-free bottles soon (I’ve got 4). Since you have quite a stash there, I suggest you read this post: http://apregnantpause.net/2009/04/15/stuck-with-avent-bottles/

This way, you’ll be able to prevent any BPA leaching into your baby’s milk or water :-)

I’ll be using MAM for the next baby! No more polycarbonate bottles for me…

diana January 17, 2010 at 11:41 AM

I did some research and ask some friends around, Avent BPA Free bottle tends to have leaking problem and Mam PP bottle lifespan is uncertain. Try to ask some retailers, most of them said around 3-6 months. Finally bought Safety Plus PES bottles which is Msia version of Think Baby bottle. Reasonably priced and the manager is very helpful in giving advices and tips over using the products to prolong the bottle lifespan. I must say the company customer service is excellent. The bottle is listed in recommendation from Safemama.com

nisa February 17, 2010 at 10:40 AM

salam,
oohhh very sad to hear about this avent thing…i already buying a set of bottle and already order 1 set of breast pump with this brand for my first coming baby…so just want a confirmation is that truth the avent brand are not good for our baby???
please answer me….
tq

KittyCat February 19, 2010 at 2:27 AM

Nisa - Read my other posts on AVENT bottles ok? The breast pump should be OK since no HOT boiling water in it will be fed to the baby. I’d use the AVENT bottles for storing breast milk and feed baby using another brand. Difficult situation and I’m not successful either since AVENT bottles work well with my baby now…

Tammy April 21, 2010 at 11:42 AM

I’ve got AVENT product for the manual pump and 8pcs 4oz & 3pcs 9oz bottle, which all BPA-free. In addition, I’ve got gift from friends of 4 pcs non-BPA-free bottle. As well as the VIA storage & food container which is non-BPA free. Some of friends said that UK already return all non-BPA and customer can return as per request, and SG as well, but not in Malaysia. Why Malaysia’s AVENT still selling the non-BPA-free bottle. Are they trying to clear all the stock only? The sales promoter in the complex or supermarket are not able to explain the different of BPA & non-BPA free. They not even know the difference, only commenting is new and old model. What kind of service and product knowledge to new user/ customer. WHat am doing now is, only use the BPA-free bottle to feed my pretty and the rest only for storage use.
BTW, am thinking to buy the Express Bottle & Babyfood Warmer, anyone use it before and any comment on it? This is just bcoz I am fully breast feed my bb and is difficult for me to warm the expressed breast milk with hot water only. And I am actually wondering and worry whether this is the safe way to warm my expressed milk, especially for the freeze 1.

KittyCat April 21, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Tammy – I know how you feel because I used to have many non-BPA-free bottles too. Now, I’ve changed all my baby and older child’s bottles to BPA-free ones.

AVENT bottle warmers and steam sterilizers are quite expensive. Many mothers use less expensive ones, which work just as well. In fact, you’ll be surprised to read negative experiences with AVENT products. Google and you’ll find out.

I bought the Little Bean steam sterilizer and bottle warmer, which work great. Together, they only cost about RM150. Other Mums buy the Pigeon brand.

After you get your bottle warmer, here’s how you can warm up frozen breastmilk:

1. The night before, take down the frozen EBM from the freezer and place it in the fridge. I have one shelf specially for storing EBM and baby stuff.

*No meat or such stuff nearby. All meat items are stored in air-tight containers e.g. Tupperware.*

2. The next morning, the frozen EBM will have thawed down to 100% liquid. To warm it up, place it in the bottle warmer and it’ll be nice and warm for baby in 4-5 minutes :D

KK Lim May 13, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Any one use Little Bean Sterilizer before? Is it good enough & how’s the quality?

Kelly May 29, 2010 at 12:21 AM

Hi KittyCat

I still have 5 “old” Avent 9oz bottle stock, and i still using the Avent breast pump, Avent sterilizer so can you explain how to prevent the BPA leach, is that ok to hitting the Avent bottle in sterilizer and warm the EBM in a warmer(which temp ok)?

And how long the lifetime of the bottle?

I plan to buy an Avent BPA-free bottle, but it got 2 type can u suggest with is batter PP or PC ? The PP one is more cheaper than PC is than mean got something problem?

Can u email me more information!

To KK Lim
I also got 1 Little Bean Sterilizer, it’s ok and can fit in the Avent bottle.

KittyCat May 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM

KK Lim – I’m using Little Bean too. Sterilizes in 8 mins and can fit all 4 of my 9 oz AVENT bottles, AVENT pump and a few AVENT Via bottles too :D

Kelly – I heard that you can exchange your old BPA bottles for the new ones. Try it if you’re in KL and let us know???

I’ve just bought the new AVENT PP bottles and no, I don’t think that cheaper things are less better :D

Agnes Soo June 26, 2010 at 11:46 PM

Thanks for so useful info..and ya is like others mum,now I am started worried. I am now looking for trainer cup for my baby(7 months) to learn, is the brand MAM BPA free or do you have any recommended brand….coz soon I will change all my AVENT bottles if possible..
since currently is already year 2010, is AVENT BPA free bottle can be found in Jusco?

KittyCat June 28, 2010 at 3:16 PM

Agnes Soo – Yes, MAM is BPA-free and yes, you can find AVENT BPA-free (both PC and PP types) bottles on sale now in Malaysia. Can’t help you with trainer cups because my boy didn’t like them.

jenna liew July 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM

dear all needed help…

My avent munaul breast pump (white star valve)has broken and i needed it urgently.anyone can help?where can i get it?cause i seaching in few website and is discontinue.
Very appreciate it if your reply me…

Thanks
Regard
Jenna Liew

Kit July 30, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Jenna – Try calling:

Kinderdijk Sdn Bhd (Avent)
F-1-12,Plaza Damas, No 60,Jln Sri Hartamas 1, Sri Hartamas, 50480. MALAYSIA
Telephone : 603-62032336/7/9 or 6275 8908

AVENT service centers (which sell the spare parts) are available in various parts of Malaysia. Please tell them you came from this blog ya ;-)

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